Richard English. Quote, " My choice ain't even on the map I pronounce "admire" and words like it, with two syllable because that is the correct UK English pronunciation.
And it is, as well, the way that the Oxford English Dictionary suggests it be pronounced. So far as Merriam Webster is concerned, I'm afraid I don't know the lady. Is she American? I know know that Bugs Bunny from Brooklyn, apparently uses a trisyllabic pronunciation but it will be a long while before I use the accent of a cartoon rabbit as a model for my speech! More seriously - trying to find a "standard" pronunciation is a task doomed to failure. Even Word regognises 13 different versions of English - and I am sure there are more - all with their own different accents, vocabulary and pronunciations.
Let's just accept that some rhymes won't work as well in some forms of English as in others. After all, poets have, surely, coped with this for long enough for it not to be a major issue.
Long live different accents! Hip hip hooray!!! Yet, have you checked a dictionary, jheem? The dictionaries clearly say it is one syllable. My, aren't people crabby today? I think it is a perfectly sensible question, and I, like CW, had a hoot reading it. I admit that I say "admire," like "fire" with an "ad" in front, with 3 syllables.
Ya know what the funny part of all these Brits' answers is? I spoke to them when I was in England, and I specifically asked Bob to pronounce "fire. He just hears 1 syllable, while I hear 2. I didn't ask arnie or Richard, unfortunately, but I am sure the same is true. The fact is, the same is probably true with all those Oxfordians, as well. I had a good laugh reading it too. I can vouch that this is true - same goes for 'oil' and the like.
I've never heard anyone with any West Midlands accent pronounce the above words as one syllable, unless they're trying to speak 'properly'. I even pronounce 'coin' with two syllables at times, much to my chagrin. I'm with jheem though that it's more like one and a half syllables, especially the words ending in 'l' whereas I can easily say 'fire' as one syllable, I can't pronounce 'oil' as such without choking on the 'l'.
Well, you see the same goes for "world. If I say it really fast, almost like "far," I can see it. But, then, it doesn't sound like "proper English" to me. I would think everyone could at least vote. This isn't exactly the presidential elections. Syllabification is that a word? If not it should be is dependent upon two very unique sets of rules. The written rules are very specific about how words are separated; the spoken rules are far looser.
A word like fire is one syllable when written; however spoken language generally gives it two syllables: fi er. Unless you live in the deep south and cook your food over a fahr. My grad advisor for my ph. Clear as mud? Fire; world; two syllables for poetry and speaking. One syllable for strict written word rules. The problem with final r and l is that these two sounds can be syllabic in English: cf. Final nasals are more problematic: cf.
What it really boils down to is what is your definition of syllable. I would disagree with jo, in that I don't feel that the two types of syllables she's talking about are the same thing. In spoken language syllables are something involving phonology, but in written language they're something else: something to do with writing and hyphenization.
If you take a word that ends in a stop, e. The problem with liquids and nasals is that they can be syllabic on their own, so when you mouche one onto the end of a written syllable you get the 1. The word fight is pretty simply one syllable, but the word fire is more than one I think I said the same thing as you; that is, that the two are NOT the same. One is phonology, the other writing and hyphenization. I think that's what I said, using different words. Or have I gone completely senile?
This is a worthless poll. Maybe this is another one of his jokes. As jheem pointed out, the answer depends on your definition of a syllable. The Glossary Of Linguistic Terms , offers one definition: quote: A syllable is a unit of sound composed of 1 a central peak of sonority usually a vowel , and 2 the consonants that cluster around this central peak.
The original discussion starts here. First off, thank you Caterwauler and Kalleh for taking the poll in the spirit in which it was intended. Secondly, I am honestly sorry if I've upset some of the residents of Fort Stodgy since this was truly not my intention. I recognize that I seem to have this effect on people over here but I've been away awhile and simply forgot.
I do apologize. Lastly, I don't think the poll was a waste of time but even if it were, it's my time to waste. As busy as life has been for me lately, I would never intentionally waste time, mine or yours, but I do see that my intended humor, for the most part, fell flat. Again, my fault and I apologize. One must always remember one's audience. But the question is a valid one and I truly was and still am looking for honest answers. With this in mind, allow me to re-post the poll in a more straight-forward manner.
All serious input is appreciate. Hell, all frivolous input is appreciated, but that's just me. No, but I was quite sleepy when I posted. I'll go back and reread your post. Now that I'm put together properly, I do believe I can step outside and assess the situation. If I get it right, the people who fuss over the proper number of syllables for a correct and "true" limerick, who use lists of approved and "real" rhymes are upset when the denizens of Fort Stodgy make the initial assessment that a poll regarding syllabification is real?
Though my English teachers and my diction coach will roll over in their graves, I can only say "wow! Fort Stodgy Look, you come strollin' in with yer polls at a gallup, elevatin' gimcracks to a national poetic form, and I'm from Fort Deviltakeye?
If I could remember where I put my Bailey's fat ole wordbook, I'd heave it upside yer head, rhetorically. Dag nab it! Fort Stodgy? The responses here rather sounded like that to me. Trending Words beautiful happy education teacher school.
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How many syllables do you think comprise each of these words? Sonata Senior Member. I think it depends on whether you speak British or 'mercan English. As a native British speaker to me they are single syllable words unless you slurr or whatever, in which cas I am sorry as I speak British English not 'merrican.
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