Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are my favorite directors of all time. Separating the art from the artist is absolutely crucial. I love Woody and Polanski as actors and directors, that doesn't mean I love them as people. If you can't separate the art from the artist, you are arbitrarily limiting your knowledge.
This goes for music, film, game developers, authors, and any other form of art. Not my absolute favorites, but I enjoy their work a good deal myself. I'm a huge cinephile and a LOT of people in Hollywood are just dirtbags honestly, so separating the art from the artist is something I had to learn to do a while ago. I'm not going to set my copies of Rosemary's Baby or The Usual Suspects on fire and deny their value because the people that made them turned out to be pieces of human garbage.
I would add that movies are the sum of a lot of people's work, it's not like any of those movies those people were involved with could have been created without a lot of help.
So in the interest of not tarring a lot of people's hard work I don't think it's difficult to accept those works and still appreciate them. I don't get why people love The Usual Suspects so much after watching it mind you, it's a case of the ending was the only reason it got made and that left me feeling conned more than impressed.
I felt the same way about Bioshock's ending. I agree with Roger Ebert pretty much on that one. On Limp Bizkit, I do find them fairly cringy because of their presentation. Their music is pretty boring. Fred Durst also directed The Fanatic, which may be the greatest, or worst accomplishment of his depending on how you see things.
I get why people feel this way, but disagree - I feel like the ending is a commentary on the rest of the film in a way, and perhaps on storytelling generally.
It's not like you could stick that ending at the end of any movie and have it make sense. You need the blustery, hyper-masculine intimidation antics of the rest of the story for the more subtle, subversive manipulation of Spacey's character to have any weight or meaning. Just my take though - and for the record, The Usual Suspects is hardly the best film ever and I would agree to it being generally "overrated". I've thought about it but I just don't think any of that was clever.
It thought it was all very clever but it really wasn't, and that particularly pretentious feeling of it really rubbed me the wrong way. I think that makes me outright dislike it other than yes, I would agree, certainly overrated considering how people have suggested it to me in the past. Don't make your story a commentary on storytelling unless you really have something of substance to say, I think, and that film just didn't have any substance behind its ideas for me.
I wasn't aware the public at large still harbored a huge hatred towards Limp Bizkit, or really treated them with anything much more than indifference these daysthough I admittedly wouldn't be the person to ask about current trends in music. Fred Durst certainly invited some of the hatred earlier in his career, when he quite stupidly insulted Slipknot fans.
I think it was partially a cascade effect of group hatred at that point. And when the mood of the industry changed, he couldn't really keep up. After that, it was all downhill.
It's hard to catch back up with the changing tide once you've fallen out of sync with it. Personally, I struggle to think of a bigger waste of emotional energy than hating a band or a musician, be it for their music or their allegedly atrocious personality. Kinda glad I moved past that when I was a teen.
But man, I really never thought I'd see a forum thread about Limp Bizkit hatred in It's like a time machine back to browsing phpBB boards in I was kind of wondering about that about 10 years ago, then Nickel Back came out and they did it again..
I think I remember a news story about Fred Durst jumping on a sheet of plywood crowd surfing over fans and breaking some backs. Trent Reznor called him out in an interview and the third Limp Bizkit album had not just a few lines in songs here and there making fun of him but a whole parody song as the first track. Yeah he was a douche. Also my friend from high school who started out nice and cool went complete Limp Bizkit and bought all their t-shirts hoodies bumper stickers and albums and I couldn't stand him anymore and broke my own tape of three dollar billz that got him into them in the first place when he wasn't in the car.
I literally tossed it out the window, reversed, and ran over it. They were trash. The only good thing about that band was the rest of the band. But most of their fans I knew became assholes. Twenty years ago this week, Limp Bizkit hit a commercial peak they would never again revisit. Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavoured Water , their horrifically titled third album, was their magnum opus — a shambolic and petulant if weirdly pleasurable racket built on themes of romantic resentment, gold-chain arrogance and teenage angst.
That Durst was pushing 30 at the time of recording was a mere technicality. He has undeniable magnetism, though, a frontman as noxious as he is funny. At Ozzfest , they emerged on stage through a giant toilet bowl.
It was almost like one of those post- American Pie films come to life in musical form. Enjoy unlimited access to 70 million ad-free songs and podcasts with Amazon Music Sign up now for a day free trial.
If there was one element that spoke loudly to teens back then, it was this kind of incoherent rage. They helped listeners purge their frustrations. That he became a hero to kids just like him even more so.
Early into their fame, a narrative had emerged determining that Limp Bizkit were bad men making bad music and birthing a generation of proto-incels in the process. Proving everybody wrong certainly served to motivate him. The treatment Durst received from the press seemed to stem from his behaviour outside the studio, or on tracks that even the band themselves would come to regret.
For the band as a whole, there was also their personal Altamont. Limp Bizkit often left cosmetic destruction in their wake, encouraging audiences to smash up venues and bash into one another in mosh pits, but they were also associated, if tangentially, with real tragedy. But I think Bizkit being blamed for it is because they were the heavy band.
Where I think he messed up were his claims of hooking up with Britney and Christina. Whether or not it was true, it was in poor taste to kiss and tell but I think at that point people had got sick of him anyway. Regardless, I'm not that much of a fan. I don't get into mixed styles, or infused genres.
Me, I'm simply a Reggae man I think that Jon Davis is a deity, seriously. I don't care if he puts out a record of fart noises, I'll think it's genius. I believe that all that mess when they first came out was intentional - Fred Durst is a marketing genius of epic proportions. The music just got old and people moved on.
Break Stuff is my little brother's theme song, I swear! Limp Bizkit Also, since their debut onto the spotlight. Almost immediately they were attack for being gay and all the title for their albums were hidden subliminal messages assuring that they were. I hope you don't listen to Break Stuff. I'd hate to see what that would make a howler monkey throw around! I'm with you on Korn, and I'm forever grateful to my little brother for making me listen to them when they first came out. All in the Family was seriously funny.
I did like Limp Bizkit for a while, starting with Faith. It was just too much of a novelty for me after a while, though. I only ever knew of them by their connection to KoRn, I band I really loved growing up. Though I've heard their biggest hits, maybe 5 or 6, I never really listened to an album or saw a performance. I think they were a fad, and that fad wore off. Kind of like how nobody thinks that Marilyn Manson is controversial anymore.
Unless he eats the face off of his guitar player in concert, nobody is going to care! I read an article the other day that they parted ways with DJ Lethal and it has not been pretty.
There was a Twitter war, apparently. My favorite song was N 2gether Now, that Method Man appeared on. DAY after school my senior year. I would get in the car and fire it up as I left the parking lot.
I still love it. Behind Blue Eyes Some nu metal I did like. Korn is in that group, and I think Jon Davis might be some kind of deity.
I did hate Linkin Park, though, with a vengeance. I haven't thought much about where they went, but on occasion I do consider how glad I am that they aren't around anymore. I couldn't stand the nu metal scene, and Limp Bizkit were the poster kids. Good riddance. I was listening to bands like Iced Earth and Dark Tranquility at the time anyway. Durst is the ultimate front man, I just think he has too much of the diva attitude. For me, they could put out the best album in the history of history, and I don't know if I would even give them a chance.
I somewhat enjoyed the title track, have yet to hear the rest of the album though. Bizkit is just one of my guilty pleasure bands. I do agree though that after Starfish, their stuff really tanked. I'm all for bands doing new things but trying to pull a Papa roach and go straight rock just did not work for Durst and co.
Their first three albums were good. I still listen to songs from them. But most of the stuff that came after Have you heard Gold Cobra? I listened to the title song for about 12 seconds before switching to something else and I was wondering how the rest of the album was. I will always be a Limp Bizkit fan because of the fun memories their music brings back for me.
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